If it is just you and him alone, I would not worry, especially if you ask him if the conversation will be kept in confidence. NEVER speak to two elders. I learned the hard way that they WILL lie and use one another as witnesses against you. I prefer requesting that the elder put anything he has to say to you in a letter. That scares them shitless, to put it mildly.
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Blip! The radar has blipped. I'm on it. 'chat' booked in for Sunday.......
by Captain Blithering ina young, progressive, kind elder wants to have a chat with me on sunday after the meeting.
we've talked before and been quite open about the judgemental attitudes 'we' have as witnesses, and he was completely in agreement, stating that he's never understood the beard thing among other issues, and wants to see the society moving forward by change..
i've no doubt he just wants to encourage me to up my hours or reach out again, but it's nerve wracking, as i know i'll say something i'll regret.
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Sheparding Call
by DS211 inat the meeting last night i was approached by an elder and he asked me what my schedule was like for the next week or so.
i told him im not sure ill have to tet back with him and i asked why and he said kindly but in an odd sort of way "for a visit".
my wife and i have not gone out in field service and have been missing meeting left and right mostly due to sickness and family.
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Rufus T. Firefly
Simply request that elder to put what he has to say in a letter and mail it to you. That will be the last you hear of it.
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Could this be the Atom Bomb when it comes to waking up Someone? Could it Work?
by BU2B incould this be the home run swing when it comes to waking up a spouse?
could it work?
yesterday i was checking out this website http://howcultswork.com/.
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Rufus T. Firefly
Excellent post, BU2B! I've visited that website and was impressed by the same points listed. After reading Ray Franz's Crisis of Conscience, I could not understand why he stopped short of calling JWs a cult, when they clearly are a cult for all the reasons he pointed out. What I liked about www.howcultswork.com is that they understand the basic definition of cult; therefore they conclude that at least 95% of the world's population belong to some type of cult, whether it be religious, political or commercial. I like the way you think, because I have wondered how to share that info with my wife.
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My thoughts on ex-Jw 'activism'
by Rufus T. Firefly ini have noticed several threads discussing the pros and cons of certain ex-jws who become activists toward active jws.
i dont know why anyone would find this to be odd; after all, jws consider it their god-given duty to expose religious error and apostasy in other religious organizations.
anyone who was ever a jw knows this to be true.
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I have noticed several threads discussing the pros and cons of certain ex-JWs who become “activists” toward active JWs. I don’t know why anyone would find this to be odd; after all, JWs consider it their God-given duty to expose religious error and apostasy in other religious organizations. Anyone who was ever a JW knows this to be true. So, why would anyone think it odd for ex-JWs to feel compelled to warn active JWs of apostasy found within the Watchtower organization?
I am amused by active JWs who disregard their organization’s admonition about creating websites for posting recordings of talks given by elders of various ranks or engaging ex-JWs in debates on various discussion forums and who display a very arrogant attitude as if they consider themselves to be spiritually mature individuals. Then they become outraged when the corruption of the WTBTS is pointed out to them. That clown named Klemetti who administers the JWTalks Yahoo Group comes to mind. What a joke! One imagines that he considers that his special ministry and reports the time spent posting those recordings of talks.
Sorry if I pissed anyone off with this post. Sometimes you just gotta get it off your chest, ya know?
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ATTN: MODERATORS (technical difficulty)
by Rufus T. Firefly infor some reason i cannot send private messages.
when i hit 'send' i get a message that an error occurred.
yet, i can post replies to threads.
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Rufus T. Firefly
FOR SOME REASON I CANNOT SEND PRIVATE MESSAGES. WHEN I HIT 'Send' I GET A MESSAGE THAT AN ERROR OCCURRED. YET, I CAN POST REPLIES TO THREADS. CAN ANYONE HELP? THANKS!
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Hello, its good to be back, seriously!
by AllTimeJeff infor the last year or so, the opening lyrics to gloria estefan's "always tomorrow" have been howling at me.. i've been alone inside myself, far too long.
never really wanted it that way, but i let it happen..... .
(btw, the message in that song is great for former jw's, if you want to think about the lyrics that way....).
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Rufus T. Firefly
For some reason, I cannot send you the pm, Jeff. Message me, and I'll try to reply.
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Hello, its good to be back, seriously!
by AllTimeJeff infor the last year or so, the opening lyrics to gloria estefan's "always tomorrow" have been howling at me.. i've been alone inside myself, far too long.
never really wanted it that way, but i let it happen..... .
(btw, the message in that song is great for former jw's, if you want to think about the lyrics that way....).
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Rufus T. Firefly
AllTimeJeff, check your private messages. ~ Rufus
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Rufus T. Firefly
Although there is no conflict for a Christian, each body of elders decides what is acceptable for its congregation. I know of congregations which permitted members to belong to the YMCA even though the organization said joining is apostasy.
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Do you have smoking ban in your community?
by Iamallcool indoes it include all public places, etc...?.
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Yes, the town in which I live prohibits smoking in all public places. I love it. It has been good for businesses, too, even the nightclubs. Smoking is a sign of ignorance and low-class.
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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'
by Simon init seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.
it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.
do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.
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Rufus T. Firefly
I believe you are 100% correct, Simon. "I've learned that people only pay attention to what they discover for themselves." (The last line spoken by Anthony Perkins in the classic film "Pretty Poison.")